What a great clip! Mr. Forbes presents his argument both clearly, effectively, and quickly. good stuff.

Orrin, Thank you for this. I love how Mr. Forbes tactfully points out an inconsistency by our current president. (It's probably a good thing I'm not making videos!) I'm anxiously learning the art of tact! You are so right when you refer to mental laziness and how we CANNOT afford to be lazy any longer. How much more evidence do the citizens of this country need to understand the lack of leadership that's plaguing our country? Our current "leader" chooses to represent this country on his terms and totally ignore the true conscience of the American people! As an American citizen, I'm offended and I feel betrayed by the leadership of the United States of America! The words from Mr. Presidents speech at his inauguration (along with many others) certainly don't line up with his actions........ don't those two qualities need to work hand in hand in order to effectively lead people?????

Great Video!!! I am thankful that Randy Forbes is willing to stand on what he knows to be true. This is just more evidence that America needs the TEAM.

Hi Orrin
Wow! this is very humbling and thank you for this great reminder of why we love this country and the freedom it offers. Yesterday I was at the Spanish Conference/Anaheim Ca., and Van Buskirk gave a great sermon at service on this very topic, that we have to take all of the bible not just half of it, that God is needed in all that we do as inviduals.
thank you,
Mouena A.

Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government is to establish a religion?

A belief in God, acknowledging that there is a Creator and admitting that we were found on Christian Principles of course is not establishing a religion but nationalizing prayer in school is, imho. I used to agree that we (the Federal Government) should put prayer back in schools until I came to realize that nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government is to even educate us. I feel that should be a states matter or even better a local community (city) matter. In most communities across the United States the people of the local communities would want prayer in schools. I feel like so often our elected officials just try to fix the symptoms (nationalizing prayer in schools) instead of the cause (illegally nationalizing education).

When Obama says they we are not a Christian nation he then goes on to say that we are a Christian nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, an atheist nation etc. I take it to mean that what he is saying is that all are welcome here regardless of their beliefs and that they don't have to become a Christian just to be a true American citizen. Please don't take this as me supporting Obama; I disagree with pretty much everything he stands for!
I would just rather our Federal Government and their officials keep their faith private and lead by example instead of saying we/they are Christians and still committing horrible crimes/sins at the same time. To me, when you are a public figure and you profess that you are a Christian, they then become a public representative of Christ. When some of the Presidents he mentioned (who committed sins that I know even made Christ cry), who then say they did it in the name of Christ and in the name of Americans who are Christians, I'd just rather them say nothing.

Take even our Founders who held other human beings as property and some even killing Indians.

Abraham Lincoln killing hundreds of thousands over their God given and Constitution guaranteed right to secede.

FDR, rounding up people as if they are cattle (pun intended) and placing them in internment camps.

Truman being the only person in history to have ever dropped a weapon of mass destruction and killing hundreds of thousands in the process!

Reagan okaying the slaughter of the innocent as Governor of Cali and then as President not stopping or doing anything to stop the slaughter of tens of millions of the innocent and unborn. His more aggressive position on not allowing people their God given right to non violently sin (the drug war).

Then of course Bush, for also not stopping the slaughter of the innocent and unborn or even trying despite his rhetoric. His killing hundreds of thousands abroad not only in spite of being a Christian but he used that as a defense! His torturing of hundreds of people! Not to mention him lying about all of this too!

My point is that our Government, who is immoral by its very nature (i.e. stealing other peoples money, Thou shall not steal!), should refrain from establishing a religion and stick to their Constitutional obligations of making sure that we are all free to practice whatever religion we want or none at all. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't act out Christian principles of course but they can do so w/o saying and if they want to be an outspoken Christian leader and speak out about their faith then they should become a missionary or evangelist. Their job as elected officials is not to do that, but they can act out their beliefs to be an example imho.

Please tell me what you think about my thoughts.


Miguel

Leon Skousen wrote a book called "The 5000 Year Leap" which does a great job of explaining the founding fathers' mindset, and, as far as christianity, what they wanted and didn't want as far as education. I'd urge you to read it, it's a "must-have" in my library for most people who want to understand where we've come from. The book is definitely not about religion, but about the thinking behind the founding documents such as the constitution, and obviously religion/faith had a huge impact upon that thinking. It makes the point the founding fathers didn't push a particular religion (they were of different sects), but thought it important to teach/acknowledge certain principles regarding understanding that there is a creator and what that realization leads to. I'm sure Orrin's read it, and I'm sure he'd recommend it as well, though I won't speak for him, just recommend it myself.

I have read it and I do recommend it strongly for anyone wanting to know the Founders World-View. I am going to ask to have this added to the TEAM system as many of the top leaders are reading it. thanks, Orrin

The bottom line, Miguel...When a country turns their back on GOD, GOD has no choice but to turn HIS FACE from them...to remove HIS Blessings, Protection, Grace, Mercy, etc. There is so much I could say about each of the Men you listed for I see it in a totally different way. I see all the lives that were saved or changed. Tell the Slaves who was set free that Those States had more rights then they did.
Dealing with WAR---War is ugly. It's Horrible. BUT...Have you considered Possibly How Many Lives Were Saved because of the Tough Decisions that had to be made.
Presidents Don't Have Total Power...There is Congress, The Supreme Court. They can't just get rid of Abortion. Bush did get where you couldn't use tax dollars for abortions, stem cells research,etc.
AND YES...Some People do terrible things in the name of GOD and someday they will answer for it. For all things will be revealed.
We need Christian Leaders Who will stand for what they believe in. That is what is wrong with our Country. "Everything is "OK".
Well, it's Not. I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but if you are...don't take my word for it...get on your knees, empty your heart and mind, and pray. "Be Still and Know HE is GOD" and listen for that "Still Small Voice". Our LORD will let you know that IT Does Make a Difference To Have Godly Leaders In Government and in all areas of Our Society.
CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE LIKE? I CAN.
IN CHRIST,
Bobbi Biggs
Prov. 3:5-6

was trying to reply on the blog but it wouldn't let me reply. Anyway, thank you for the Randy Forbes video clip and it is refreshing to know that at least one member of Congress has his "head on straight". Thank you for all that you and Laurie do for the Team.

Diane Parker
Team One Purpose

I knew most people wouldn't receive my comments in the right way. Yes, I am a Christian and my relationship is better with Christ than it's ever been thanks to TEAM.

Please do share your thoughts on the Presidents I listed.
You should do some research on old Abe. There are speeches he made as President saying that he had no intention of doing away with slavery and he was also planning on shipping them all back with or against their will. The war had nothing to do with slavery! That is a lie of Big Government indoctrination (nationalizing education). It wasn't until one hundred years later that black people began to be seen as humans rather than property.

Bush's moves were totally illegal moves and there is no evidence to him keeping us safe but there is plenty of evidence that his actions have actually put us in harms way for years to come. Osama said he wanted us over there and he got what he wanted and he also said he wanted to bankrupt us while in pursuit of him and he's won on that too! Yeah, thanks Bush! And please don't talk about him stopping taxes for paying for murder, aka abortion. Him killing innocents abroad with tax payer money kind of cancels that out imho.

Truman killing hundreds of thousands of human beings to "save" hundreds of thousands of humans just because they're American was wrong! It's no different than legalizing embryonic stem cell research (murder/playing God) to "save" others.

My belief as a Christian and the authority of the Bible tells me that our rights come from God, not Government. That God gave us free will (the RIGHT to choose either right or wrong) and to suffer the consequences.

Again, please tell me where in the Constitution does it give Congress the authority to establish a religion (and yes saying that we are people of the Judeo/Christian faith is)? Why not look at what the unintended consequences of this could be? What will happen when a new admin comes in and because of this proposed legislation he feels he can come in and change which religion he wants to say we are since we would already be in the business of establishing a religion? Just like Bush and his lackeys not realizing how the Patriot Act and the DHS could come back under a new admin to bite us as it already has with us (the "rightwing extremist terrorist" as they say, and they've already arrested US Citizens under the Act and with the authority of the DHS being able to print their own no knock warrants w/o going to a Judge, which is illegal)!

I believe the Founders knew this could happen and that's why they built the type of Government they did, which all the Government should do is make sure we stay free even from people within Government, to be able to practice what religion we want!

I so much believe with all my heart that we as a people would get back to a Christian nation if we followed the Constitution, and let the local communities take back over schooling our kids and they then could put prayer back in school, set the example and also teach them the right principles.

And where did I say that I didn't want Godly men and women in congress? I absolutely do! True Godliness to me is walking the walk, not talking the talk. Take Orrin and Chris for example. They never had to say they were Christians but I knew they were by their actions and their example! That's what I want from our elected representitives!

I guess I am just saddened that Orrin, whom I deeply respect and admire and has opened my mind, would put a video that says this and with a guy who is a hypocrite to boot.

Please tell me where my thought process is wrong.

All this is of course said with a gracious and humble spirit. I know sometimes with text it's hard to see the emotions behind the text and it can be misinterpreted to seem harsh.


Miguel

Miguel,
I can't thank you enough for saying what's in your heart and asking the questions that you have. You are a man of courage, I can see that. I've had many of these same questions as well, and just didn't have the guts to ask them! I get hit with many of these same questions in 95% America that you ask and really have no clue how to answer alot of them. This is where the "iron sharpening iron" comes in I think. We stand strong in our beliefs and a great deal of us rely on faith alone. As Josh McDowell once said, "faith isn't enough, we need proof to validate that faith" . One thing I've learned from Orrin and the leaders, they do speak nothing but truth. I've taken them on faith and they've proven everything to me in tenfold. I'll look forward to more of your postings on this topic. Learning is a great thing! God bless you!

AMEN! I saw a clip of him and all the others supporting him in this. It is good to see men standing up for their Christian values outside of Team also!

Hi Orrin,
Wow! Yeah what an awesome video.
What if Robert E Lee had not applied his personal beliefs and values to the situation at hand.
His advice "teach them to deny themself" aka delayed gratification.
Tell me he didn't have and see a higher calling.
I will never forget Arlington was his farm he got from marrying a girl, Washington was her last name. There is a house there with big pillars.
You've ignited my interest in history,Thank You.
Anyone who says their life is not governed by their personal beliefs is an idiot.
What else would govern them? ( dont personal beliefs create habits?)

In the Bible it says to watch out for people who claim to know Jesus.

It amazes me how becoming President of the US has made a person suddenly an expert in so many areas, finance, Money, running a multi-national company, Biblical Scholar. We have a man with no experience, no "fruit on the tree". what would or could draw us to him?
Read in the Bible what happens to trees that have no fruit.


Dave in FL

Hey Orrin, Sorry! I had to jump back on here and make sure ya know that I love ya and I meant no disrespect!

Keep Leadin and Lovin!


Miguel

Miguel, No worries. I did not feel disrespected in the least. You are asking questions to learn and that is always a good thing. The answers are not quick answers, but I do agree with the principle that the Federal Gov. should not mandate to the states. Let's talk in Austin in August when I am there. thanks, Orrin

Awesome! We will be there! can't wait!

Orrin,

I am saddened by the moral decay of our country. Years ago I read a book and I don't remember the name but I thought it was the bible but do not quote that because I can not find this in the bible anywhere. At any rate, this book said that "in the last days, the devil will gain the confidence of very intelligent men and get them to do his bidding without their knowledge. And as was stated in an audio from TEAM, Einstein said, "if you put two intelligent men in a room with an idiot, when they come out, you'll have 3 idiots."

So after watching this video, I spoke with a family member who is also appalled at the moral decay of this country. Her plans are to be in the 4th of July parade and to pass out copies of the Constitution of the United States and she is doing this because she believes in the principles this country was founded on. All she wants to do isto be able to sell comic books and not have to worry about the government intervention when it comes to free enterprise.

I applaud all that you stand for Orrin. God Bless and see you in Milwalkee.

Tim Peterson

Gary S. Thanks for the kudos. It's nice to know that we all have the same awesome leaders leading us to Truth! I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well!

Tim P. Those pocket Constitutions are awesome! I saw one person hold one up next to the IRS code and said "dont you think something is wrong with this picture"?

wow this is great!

Orrin:
Great clip...When AMERICA OR ANY COUNTRY FORGETS THE RIGHTS GIVEN TO THEM ARE FROM GOD !! AND GUIDLINES ON HOW WE SHOULD RUN EVERYTHING IN THIS LIFE INCLUDING GOVERMENT ..That country will soon be in a situation of mass corruption and degragation..Kind of like we are now experiencing NOW IN THE USA AND MANY, MANY Places through-Out the world.. Thanks for all you are doing !!!
God Bless ya brother