Chuck, Thank you for your comments. I promise in the future to stick with the issues and not come close to the line of attacking people. I don't enjoy that role anyway. I do appreciate your thoughts and believe there is valid wisdom in them. I strongly believe that iron sharpens iron and Christians should dialogue on issues to learn from each other. You have helped me today and hopefully I can help you in the future. If Doug would have an honest dialogue then I believe we could settle this for many people's sake. Refusing to discuss in a Christian dialogue by seeking first to understand is where this process has failed. Like I said, I cannot make them come to the table and discuss, but will never give in on a matter of principle unless they can show I am mistaken. I pray everyday for wisdom to do right and for God to overrule all of our personal agendas to further His agenda. Have a blessed Sunday! thanks, Orrin