Hi Orrin I am a former Founders Platinum from Australia who resigned (but was terminated... sound familiar?). I can concur with many of the points raised about the condition of the market here. For example, on my last Achievers trip last year to Hawaii, there were many "Diamonds" sitting back with in economy class with the rest of the Platinums and Emeralds. I raised this with one of the business relations managers who stated "we both know that many of the Diamonds on the wall on Castle Hill haven't re-qualifed in years". Out of respect, I will not detail the names in a public forum. There are of course some larger IBOs who have had their networks 'solidified' by overseas legs in growth markets in Asia and therefore maintain their qualifications. There's much more going on right now behind the curtains. I spent a few minutes earlier this evening speaking to former high level IBO about our common experience with Amway Australia. Thanks for your example with respect Ronin