I know this may take some time, but I believe you would be more than delighted to share the information if asked, so here goes. "In order to make an intelligent rational choice on whether to invest time and money into a business – you will need to gather all the relevant facts on the business results." [Orrin Woodward] Would you share the similar growth information you provided above for MonaVie? I suspect it is much better! One thing that is interesting is that there has been a lot of talk about Amway "Diamonds" and whether they qualify or re-qualify and such. It was my understanding that average Diamond income in Amway was somewhere in the ballpark of 240k/year. Does this mean to fairly compare the businesses (if one were so inclined) when speaking of MonaVie it would need to compare the total numbers of those inbetween Diamond and Blue Diamond. The problem is (if you could even call it a problem) that Diamonds in MV average just under 200k/yr (40k ish less than Amway Diamonds) but Blue Diamonds average 466k/year almost double the Amway Diamond MV Income Disclosure So I think the real question is the size of a group one would roughly need to achieve each level in MV vs. Amway. A last thought. IMHO, and from where I am at currently in life, I was shooting for Emerald in Quixtar/Amway because the average income for Emeralds was something near 95k/year. That would bring my wife, and almost me home from work. That is why we were shooting for that as a first major goal. Now, if we join MV we only have to shoot for Ruby to make (on average) 6k more per year than we would have at Emerald in Amway. And of course this isn't fact, but from all I've heard it takes a much smaller group of "Actives" to achieve that level than of 100PV IBOs in Amway.