Orrin, Thanks for the kind comment! Again, if I may, I would suggest, therefore, that you put a prefatory paragraph on future Amway posts, delineating why you feel moved to post about them. As for IBOFightBack, I understand his reflexive "Hey, that's my bud you're talking about!" reactiveness to all negaative Amway postings. I feel the same cognative dissonance - on the one hand, I spent 17 years defending the business against all manner of nagative things, until Q fired Orrin. At that point, I realized the trust was a one-way street - the partnership had become an abusive spouse, and I realized I couldn't keep defending it. And what Amway could do to us, the companies we work for cand do to us as well. That is why one must have multiple streams of income. Thanks for your leadership and integrity, Orrin. Bill The Computer Guy