Hi Orrin. Australian transparent guy here. I would like to help you out with some parts of revealing the truth & the challenge you make to IBO fightback - (also remembering he refuses to answer my challenge of givng us the Australian Transparent Facts on Amway - 1985-2007 qualifed & requlaifed Diamonds) I will not revel my name - because I know that Amway legal - Tony Greig - would find cause to sue me, like he did with Trevor Chattam. (Ex-EDC in Australia) . However my pin level has been between Platinum & Saphire. I have made between $3000 up to $14,000 per month from my Amway Australia business. The larger incomes were a direct result of sales of Jewellery and big ticket items on payment plans, like e-spring and air treatment systems. I no longer qualify at Platinum level. Like most leaders I know in Amway Australia - there is not much in the way of sustainable profit. I have seen the need to continually replace people each year. It is terrible, to ask people to join & know after a few years, that most will not be with you & most will never make any serious money - that includes the IBOs who actually put in effort over time. That is my experience, not the spin or bulldust that comes from IBO fightback. IBO Fightback: answer my challenge - THE AMWAY AUSTRALIA TRANSPARENT FACTS - ANSWER ORRIN - HOW BIG IS YOUR GROUP, WHAT SUSTAINABLE INCOME HAVE YOU BUILT? WHAT DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE BY WAY OF CREDIBILTY. IF YOU HAVE NONE THEN LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. THE PUBLIC IN AUSTRALIA SHOULD LISTEN TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE HAD A GO & MADE IT WORK. NOT THE TALK FROM THE CHEAP SEATS.